tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post1468685063988449180..comments2024-02-03T12:04:16.336+00:00Comments on SNOOKER SCENE BLOG: BATTLE LINES DRAWN...AGAINDave Hhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08037719321756898982noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-4750467972647391122010-06-02T11:21:16.765+01:002010-06-02T11:21:16.765+01:00Spot on Witz!Spot on Witz!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-2919248756928956252010-06-02T03:05:22.445+01:002010-06-02T03:05:22.445+01:00Davison isn't going to attend the EGM.
PATHET...Davison isn't going to attend the EGM.<br /><br />PATHETIC.<br /><br />He knows he won't have answers to the hard questions and more holes will be found in his 'plan' than a sieve.Peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-9281594879030138652010-06-01T23:33:35.306+01:002010-06-01T23:33:35.306+01:00Spot on WitzSpot on WitzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-29296573682155544282010-06-01T21:36:51.960+01:002010-06-01T21:36:51.960+01:00Anonymous 2.32pm,
you need to learn all about the...Anonymous 2.32pm,<br /><br />you need to learn all about the history of the politics of the game then youll understand why many see Doyle as being the anti-christ.<br /><br />Hearn is the man whos started the snooker re-birth so he deserves the chance to see out his plans. If they fail, then give someone another chance (which Hearn himself has said will happen) but this stabbing in the back of him by a few with not so hidden agendas of self importance is scandalous.<br /><br />Hearn plans are concrete as venues are already booked and tickets on sale (ive already bought some for events next season) so his plans are far more advanced stage than Davisons which would have to pass through another EGM in a months time, meaning the prospects of 10 rankers next season are vastly unfeasible.<br /><br />Hearn has the proven track record in sports promotion and has been involved with snooker for over 30 years and his passion for the sport cannot be denied, he has no reason to want this not to suceed. He has no agendas unlike most others and will transform snooker like he has with darts, if given the chance.<br /><br />Dont let this opportunity pass you by....<br /><br />PS- The decision by Davison to not attend tomorrows EGM is just the latest scam from 110sport/ Davison. This rival bid has been in the pipeline for months but they have deliberatly held it off until the last minute to cause confusion and see exactly what Hearns final position was so they could pip his offer and fool players into voting against him.<br /><br />The real reason they arent attending is that they dont have answers as the 10 rankers are mythical and they know Hearn would expose their botched attempt to overthrow him for what it is. But they put their spin on this to make Hearn look like the bad guy when if they were really genuine about whats best for snooker they would have made their bid public months ago.Witz78noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-30098339410750568292010-06-01T20:02:08.221+01:002010-06-01T20:02:08.221+01:00Copy and pasted from here: http://www.sportinglife...Copy and pasted from here: http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/worldchampionships2010/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=snooker/10/06/01/SNOOKER_World_Snooker.html<br /><br />"The likes of Stephen Hendry, Ding Junhui and Peter Ebdon, who are all managed by 110Sport, have pledged their support for Davison. However, Hearn has generated a lot of goodwill among many players impressed by his vision and his decades of experience.<br /><br />Doyle has claimed Hearn has "ignored" his thoughts on the way forward for snooker.<br /><br />"With him, there is no guarantee in the future that anyone else will be listened to, particularly the players," said Doyle.<br /><br />Doyle stressed that 110Sport are "not involved" with the Davison bid, which is expected to go to a vote at a future EGM if Hearn's proposal is turned down by the players.<br /><br />Doyle said: "All of my clients will make up their own minds about how to vote on Wednesday. However, if any of my clients have asked for advice ahead of this EGM, I have said categorically to go with John Davison.""alinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-91700037245237350152010-06-01T14:32:16.914+01:002010-06-01T14:32:16.914+01:00Various posts have said that the Davison proposal ...Various posts have said that the Davison proposal lacks proof of events,venues,broadcasters and guarantees of monies. Surely neither proposal can have such proof since there has not been a vote yet. Even without the Davison proposal, Barry Hearn's had still to be voted on. With only one proposal to vote on,it might have been a sure thing,but who would sign contracts until the votes had been cast. There can only be agreements in principal between relevant parties.<br />Whichever one is successful will mean that someone will be making money from that success so why the fuss about that? Do we expect them to act out of the goodness of their heart? They are first and foremost businessmen.<br />Others who seem to want a popularity contest are trying to link Davison with Lee Doyle and imply this is bad. Surely Davison would have to have declared any deal with Doyle or 110 Sport in his proposal.<br />Why is Lee Doyle the bad guy? Is this just from those who don't like him for some reason?<br />Similarly why is Barry Hearn the bad guy for others? Same reason-clash of personality?<br />I don't envy the players tomorrow having to try and make such an important decision.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-72502115801259244352010-06-01T13:36:14.202+01:002010-06-01T13:36:14.202+01:00thanks for the list chrisk5.im not being negative ...thanks for the list chrisk5.im not being negative again im dealing in facts. im not having a go at u its good to have people that care about the game . but i need to inform u that at least 7 events u listed not all players get invites.and before u think its the lower ranks not getting the invites certain events like the germanopen and the austian open run by brandon parker the players who he knows will vote a certain way r the first to get invited even if they r low down the list.i repeat only 6 events open to all players.again chris not wanting to have a go just trust me i know more about these things than u.i agree that we should have at least 1 ranking event every month suerly not a lot to ask.but cant happen without sponsers.with an ausralian world champ and chinese players getting stronger all the time hopefully this could happen in the future.oldschoolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04180582267512464320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-47484175399416615502010-06-01T13:01:05.389+01:002010-06-01T13:01:05.389+01:00Snooker © The Fine Art Method
A secret is wasted ...Snooker © The Fine Art Method <br />A secret is wasted if not shared.<br />Dear Dave<br />How are you lad! Thanks for the posts; you have been very kind and unbiased to the various views on “Snooker Politics”.<br /><br />The “Fine Art” copyright hopes that Barry Hearn and John Davison join bank accounts for the games “Commercial Rights” but with an annual lease. A partnership of three (WPBSA) would give the game breathing space to Think what is best for Pro’ snooker.<br /><br />Please remember folks that the lovely game does NOT carry a copyright. Both contestants want to buy a Commodity, Business, Game or Sport that really can’t be sold.<br />The now new fancy emblem W/S was created to remind other “Snooker Playing” countries “Hands Off” that we are still in charge of the professional side of this wonderful fun game.<br /><br />There is nothing to stop Mr Charlie Chan creating his own World Snooker in London or Sheffield as there is no Copyright Restrictions to promoting the game of snooker. The only restrictions is to the games copyright books on the art of coaching. Mr Hey You.<br /><br />PS Please note that the “Fine Art Method” will not be a part of “Commercial Rights” but is open to both Snooker and Pool for lease or hire to help control and benifit from the vast wealth that should require an annual permit and policed by internet rules of copyright. DMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-6022380215466539252010-06-01T12:28:10.546+01:002010-06-01T12:28:10.546+01:00Why has Davison waited until now? Maybe Davison ha...Why has Davison waited until now? Maybe Davison has only launched his bid recently because it's only been recently that a stake in the game has come up for grabs! Why wasn't Hearn upfront about wanting 51% of the game for nothing before he was elected as chairman? There is certainly a blackmail element in there that players don't like despite generally supporting Hearn's vision for the game. Davison was serious 8 years ago so why do people doubt he is serious now? He is launching his bid now because he hasn't come to a deal with Hearn and time is running out, so it's now or never really.<br /><br />Both camps have their plus points - Hearn is better qualified to reinvigorate the game and Davison is actually willing to pay for the it. In reality the six rankers they have will presumably stand, and these PTC events are probably easy to organise and cheap to run. My guess is that we will see a third ranker in China, the German ranker will still go ahead and possibly a return to Malta and Ireland. Davison presumably can't organise these events until he assumes control of the sport, but I guess we will find out more details about the events at the EGM. The most important aspect of his deal is the commitment of the funding - if the funding is actually in place and not just on a promise then why would the players turn that down?Betty Logannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-38100113826857336752010-06-01T11:53:39.725+01:002010-06-01T11:53:39.725+01:00Why has Davison waited until now?
Because he is a...Why has Davison waited until now?<br /><br />Because he is a front for Lee Doyle, who until recently, was on not only Hearns board, but also the Walker regime, who constantly promised this that and the other, without delivering.<br /><br />Doyle also manages Hendry, hence his support.<br /><br />Ding, a protege and friend of Ebbo, opts for Davison. Surprise, surprise.<br /><br />Doyle has to resign from the board, due to his and Hearns' plans being incompatible.<br /><br />That is, 110 versus World snooker.<br /><br />Now the Doyle, Davison bid, which looks like a shortened version of the IMG bid that Walker was offering, with the addition of what looks suspiciously like a 5 grand "drop", per voter, just to sweep the undecided, or those struggling financially.<br /><br />Can anybody with a modicum of intelligence, argue that Davison has any interest in the game apart from seeing it as a financial investment that may yield a return?<br /><br />While nobody, similarily can deny Hearns love of the mighty greenback, at least we know he loves the game, and could never walk away leaving a legacy of failure.<br /><br />He also has experience in the kind of sports that shares the same markets as snooker, i.e ,pool, poker and darts.<br /><br />The choice is the most innovative promoter on the planet, or a finance guy who is a failed runner, and is supported by Ebbo and Lee Doyle, and God knows who else.KILDARE CUEMANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-73128076922234433952010-06-01T11:31:58.671+01:002010-06-01T11:31:58.671+01:00Witz78 - never a truer word said mate.
To any pla...Witz78 - never a truer word said mate.<br /><br />To any players reading this with a vote tomorrow night - use your head on this one and vote for Hearn otherwise you'll live to regret it. And think of the game of snooker and what's best and not self interest for once.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-49225858693251803762010-06-01T10:50:36.570+01:002010-06-01T10:50:36.570+01:00Snooker needs root and branch reform. It needs a n...Snooker needs root and branch reform. It needs a new image and new formats not another round of bog standard ranking events nobody cares about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-36468903380215545942010-06-01T10:47:10.758+01:002010-06-01T10:47:10.758+01:00I read Davison this morning trying to paint himsel...I read Davison this morning trying to paint himself as some kind of traditionalist. What nonsense, he's never had anything to do with the sport. Has anyone asked him if he even likes it?<br /><br />Hearn has been involved in snooker for 36 years. Apart from the new Sky shootout his commitment to the majors and the intergrity of the game is absolute, despite the rubbish written by the likes of snookerbacker.<br /><br />These 10 magical ranking events? Anyone think they'll happen?<br /><br />No, me neither.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-21378081048635788812010-06-01T09:09:35.919+01:002010-06-01T09:09:35.919+01:00This is somewhat ridiculous. He had his chance, wh...This is somewhat ridiculous. He had his chance, which would have been around the time Hearn made his proposal. Now after the delayed vote is to occur he comes with a slightly tweeked bit to lure in the players. Sure, it is good to have several offers at hand but his is not fair play. Davison is late and should get the ice cold shoulder. Let Barry Hearn try and if he fails - then he can have a go. Until then: bugger off!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-15795670968344228432010-06-01T07:31:22.687+01:002010-06-01T07:31:22.687+01:00Anon at 2.01'
A new WHAT?Anon at 2.01'<br /><br />A new WHAT?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-85024599515859392862010-06-01T06:45:43.405+01:002010-06-01T06:45:43.405+01:00Anon 2.01am - Glad you liked the
subliminal aspect...Anon 2.01am - Glad you liked the<br />subliminal aspect of my comment.<br /><br />However - it's YOU who has just mispelt ranker ?!<br /><br />I invite all blog readers to<br />scroll up to my 2nd contribution<br />on this subject.<br /><br />Because,I DID spell it correctly<br />at the time.<br /><br />Nice try Anon - better luck<br />next time !! LMAO<br /><br />Back to serious business then.<br /><br />SSB poll - Hearn has big majority.<br /><br />Blog comments - it's split 50/50.<br /><br />Players vote - Davison looks to<br />have the adavantage.<br /><br />Is there more twists & turns<br />to come ? - Without doubt !CHRISK5noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-88816544975170326512010-06-01T02:01:59.029+01:002010-06-01T02:01:59.029+01:00Chrisk5 "Davison also has an Australian wife,...Chrisk5 "Davison also has an Australian wife,so at least a new wanker down under would be more of a certainty!<br /><br />Nuff said!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-29736395442660353402010-06-01T00:13:44.737+01:002010-06-01T00:13:44.737+01:00If Davison has 10 ranking events why can't he ...If Davison has 10 ranking events why can't he say where they will be and who will televise them?<br /><br />Are people REALLY so stupid as to believe a set of nebulous promises against hard fact?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-63302807131359404962010-05-31T23:32:05.017+01:002010-05-31T23:32:05.017+01:00Oldschool - If you say you are a
main tour profess...Oldschool - If you say you are a<br />main tour professional - congratulations on that & yes,I do <br />believe you are.<br /><br />I have been advocating for months<br />if not years,there should be<br />10-12 Ranking events minimum,<br />so lower ranked players get more<br />guaranteed playing/earning<br />opportunities.<br /><br />Though,with more effort & endeavour,I am sure you could have<br />entered afew more of the socalled miscellanious type events in recent years - If you were desperate to play more & bolster your income.<br /><br />If you want more guaranteed Ranking events to participate in -<br />Then I am sure you would be<br />more in favour of the Davison bid.<br /><br />However,whether the Davison or<br />Hearn proposal wins through -<br />You should have 6 PTC events<br />which you would be eligible to<br />compete in from next season,<br />on top of all the other events too.<br /><br />Instead of being negative,you<br />should be quite optimistic about<br />the new era of Snooker growth.CHRISK5noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-69901535435823781032010-05-31T23:17:56.843+01:002010-05-31T23:17:56.843+01:00What a joke from Ebdon and the rest of the anti-He...What a joke from Ebdon and the rest of the anti-Hearn brigade. Full of self interest and coming out with lame excuses to stab Hearn in the back by supporting this botched attempt at a rival bid thats most likely a pipedream. The 51% issue is a nonsense of a reason to back against Hearn, hes a born winner, has the media on his side and will continue the feelgood factor whilst increasing the opportunties for players at ALL levels and raising the profile of the game again. <br /> <br />God, Ebdon doesnt even acknowledge that he was originally wrong to back against Altium in 2002.<br /><br />Hearn has concrete plans in place for next seasons tour plus expansion in future years. If and when this Davison mob get in, theres no way on earth they will manage to negotiate and get 10 rankers up and running in 2010/11. Are the players so naive that theyll accept a 5k sweetener from this man for what is in effect a facade to ensure Hearn doesnt get power.<br /><br />As for the pro who commented and said he didnt agree with rolling rankings etc, get real mate, your either good enough or your arent. Havent you thought positive and thought "if i win a few matches i will rise up the rankings quicker"? <br /><br />Snookers problem is the players having power, talk about the Self Preservation Society!<br /><br />Barry already stated he would grow the game by a certain level every year and after 3 years if he had failed to deliver, then he would hand back full control. So its a no lose scenario under a proven winner in sports promotion. <br /><br />Snooker players will be scoring the ultimate own goal yet again should they fail to back Hearn.<br /><br />Lets hope by inviting this mob to the EGM on Weds, Hearn manages to pick holes throughtout their flimsy promises and this will lead most to see sense and vote through Hearns plans.<br /><br />If not then were in for a stormy season with off field politics yet again dominating. I strongly doubt Hearn would take a defeat in the vote lying down and id expect to see an improved offer from him prior to a subsequent EGM or an attempt to form a breakaway rival tour for the elite and those who backed him, leaving the Altium 2 deal as the true poor relation.Witz78noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-39597226639694664912010-05-31T20:10:24.380+01:002010-05-31T20:10:24.380+01:00Oldschool - I am pleased to hear of your devotion ...Oldschool - I am pleased to hear of your devotion to the ranking circuit.<br /><br />However,including Invitationals &<br />several Pro-Am events which many<br />tour pro's do seek to enter.<br /><br />Here is the list of active events -<br />EVEN BEFORE DAVISON/HEARN proposals<br />are added to the mix.<br /><br />6 RANKING EVENTS<br />MASTERS OR MASTERS QUALIFYING<br />PREM LEAGUE OR CHAMPS LEAGUE<br />WUXI CLASSIC<br />PAUL HUNTER CLASSIC<br />2 WORLD SERIES EVENTS<br />AUSTRIAN OPEN<br />SIX REDS GRAND PRIX<br />SIX REDS WORLD CHAMPS<br /><br />That is 15 events even before<br />the Davison/Hearn masterplan takes<br />effect from 2010/2011.<br /><br />Out of those 15 events,surely<br />OldSchool,you could have <br />entered 10-12 events minimum,<br />whatever your ranking status.<br /><br />The calendar for 2010/2011<br />should expand further to nearer<br />20 events for players to compete in.<br /><br />Though,I am sure you will still<br />find something to moan about !!CHRISK5noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-83050123988329683872010-05-31T19:32:53.642+01:002010-05-31T19:32:53.642+01:00Ding is backing davison
http://www.sportinglife.co...Ding is backing davison<br />http://www.sportinglife.com/snooker/worldchampionships2010/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=snooker/10/05/31/manual_164131.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-8571873569256144072010-05-31T19:18:15.946+01:002010-05-31T19:18:15.946+01:00It remains to be seen exactly what Davison is offe...It remains to be seen exactly what Davison is offering, but there are three things in his favour: <br /><br />i) It was the right offer 8 years ago, and if it isn't substantially different then that is still in his favour.<br /><br />ii) An offer can usually be judged by what is brought to the table and what is taken away. Davison wants 2/3 of the game, but is willing to pay for it. By my reckoning he is willing to put £7.5 million in over the next four years. If that is backed up by contractual obligations and proof of the readies, then financially that is obviously a much better offer than Hearn's who is essentially offering a one year 30% increase (£1m) for 50% of the game.<br /><br />iii) a pre-nup: Davison's offer has an expiry date. If he turns out to be the devil, you get your soul back after 15 years.<br /><br />The ace in Hearn's offer is his proven track record in snooker. I don't think he will fail so his offer guarantees the players a living but his offer does effectively require that the game is given away for nothing. Do the players honestly believe the game is worth nothing?<br /><br />The fact is while snooker's popularity has decreased in the UK, its best days are well ahead of it in China. The Chinese econcomy is currently the fourth largest in the world, and is estimated to be the second largest by the end of the decade. With the Chinee market opening up there will be a lot of brand names looking for avenues into markets. Snooker is a working class game in the UK, but it it doesn't carry that stigma in China. If snooker can offer brand exposure to 100 million middle class consumers then its sponsorship potential is huge. The 15 year clause offers World Snooker another chance to renegotiate its commercial ownership should it value substantially increase.Betty Logannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-59853415092628953492010-05-31T19:12:26.688+01:002010-05-31T19:12:26.688+01:00Snooker © The Fine Art Method
A secret is wasted ...Snooker © The Fine Art Method <br />A secret is wasted if not shared.<br />Dear Mr Moondan---Hello Dave<br />Concerning Snooker Sir I am not a doom and gloom merchant, but I am a realist. Think mister M we the “Snooker Addicts” have created five or six “Multi millionaires” and twenty poor single Millionaires yet we fail to have a backer unless they are guaranteed there money back “Up Front”.<br /><br />Having the “Commercial Rights” mister M is a guarantee lottery win at least once a year after the initial down payment. In time the Pro game will attracts sponsors with the demand for TV Sport the “Lottery /Sponsorship” wins may then belong to a chap sunning himself in Bermuda.<br /><br />Mister M if you were to offer Barry and Mr Davison one million pounds profit after five years investment they would insist on the “Commercial Rights”.<br />The game isn’t loosing money and will never loose money. Mr Rex Williams wanted to invest in property and wanted a new car, so he was ousted for being greedy and enterprising. <br /><br />Mr Hey You will never Knock The lovely game Sir, but sadly it is no longer a TV attraction as it is played with a “Sameness” like watching last years tournaments. Mr Hey YouAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-36219251037361735392010-05-31T18:31:58.940+01:002010-05-31T18:31:58.940+01:00Ding comes out in favour of Davison.
It's ni...Ding comes out in favour of Davison. <br /><br />It's nice to hear someone whose future is ahead of them and not largely behind them express an opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com