tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post3013613535309108959..comments2024-02-03T12:04:16.336+00:00Comments on SNOOKER SCENE BLOG: DARREN MORGAN: WORLD SENIORS CHAMPIONDave Hhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08037719321756898982noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-39000390519890049292011-11-08T02:18:07.728+00:002011-11-08T02:18:07.728+00:00The game didn't fail, the people running it di...The game didn't fail, the people running it did, particularly in not taking it to places where it is popular, such as Germany<br /><br />No gimmicks there, just a proper tournament, much appreciated by capacity crowds<br />-----------------------------------<br /><br />yes theres this myth flying about as to why snooker found itself wanting barry hearn to come in.<br /><br />the administration of snooker got complacement picking up their pay check each month without the drive to take it forward.<br /><br />gimmicks gets boring hence a change to PL Rules this season and 6 reds and 10 reds disapering.<br /><br />snookers popularity has always been the simplicity of the game and comfterble viewing.wildnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-55249279986004562482011-11-07T18:33:02.252+00:002011-11-07T18:33:02.252+00:00424, or should i say shiefer, you forgot to leave ...424, or should i say shiefer, you forgot to leave your name.<br /><br />we wont take your ludicrous points on board if you keep posting like that, even if you leave your name out.<br /><br />CraigAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-21940867391466485922011-11-07T18:31:23.515+00:002011-11-07T18:31:23.515+00:00someone clear this up please:
after 3 misses does...someone clear this up please:<br /><br />after 3 misses does the ref pick up the white and its play from anywhere?<br /><br />does the player have a choice to put his opponent in for a 4th attempt?<br /><br />in a game, if the player keeps missing one red and you get ball in hand, the red may not be potable and getting another snooker may be more difficult<br /><br />so in that case id want it back 10 times<br /><br />?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-10565361590278244062011-11-07T18:26:06.938+00:002011-11-07T18:26:06.938+00:00People (anonymous of course) are conflating two di...People (anonymous of course) are conflating two different issues: the way the game is run and the game itself.<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with the game. There has been plenty wrong with the way the game was run.<br /><br />I called for changes in the administration of snooker for years (and Snooker Scene helped make it happen) and we have them and the game is being run much better. But none of that has anything to do with changing the game.<br /><br />The German Masters didn't change the game. The Australian Open didn't. They played proper snooker and were both popular with audiences.<br /><br />As I say, I have no problem with the Shootout - which was a success - but the day they start introducing its rules into established events is the day snooker loses its credibility.Dave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08037719321756898982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-87687845908394110962011-11-07T17:59:38.728+00:002011-11-07T17:59:38.728+00:00Parrott knew the rule. The amateur lad he was play...Parrott knew the rule. The amateur lad he was playin in the last 8 was warned from a snookered position and as a direct result played a swerve leaving Parrot an easy pot.<br /><br />Davis was out of order, The rules are the rules and he cant go changing them mid frame because he didnt like them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-3349333201488367032011-11-07T16:57:30.733+00:002011-11-07T16:57:30.733+00:00If anything, they should have reverted to the rule...If anything, they should have reverted to the rules that were in effect in the 80s..ie. any attempt to get out of a snooker where the white stayed on the table was a valid shot... :-)<br /><br />As someone pointed out, it's the nostalgia that people come for and the chance to see a glimpse of the old boys' bygone standards. I actually watched Dene O'Kane play once live in the 80s and his standard was pretty much what we saw this weekend. Good effort!<br /><br />If I may make some suggestions for improvement:<br /><br />1. Change the venue back to something smaller and cosier<br /><br />2. No £50 VIP lounge, the players should mingle with the fans and practice on a table where the fans can watch (this would be a unique aspect of the tournament).<br /><br />3. Semi finals should be the best of 5 and the final the best of 7 framesColin Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-30801920483923155412011-11-07T16:44:26.308+00:002011-11-07T16:44:26.308+00:00Dear lord... the question WAS ASKED. We had to h...Dear lord... the question WAS ASKED. We had to have a vote for new leadership because the sport was in financial meltdown. No sponsors. Six ranking events a year!<br /><br />Do you even realise how absurd your argument is? Or realise that times have changed?<br /><br />What you mean is YOU don't like the changes. But it is your train of thought that got us needing these changes in the first place.<br /><br />Barry Hearn was voted in for a reason. It wasn't to listen to traditionalists with their heads STILL in the sand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-47247824825823117852011-11-07T16:24:04.556+00:002011-11-07T16:24:04.556+00:00This is why snooker will never take off in America...This is why snooker will never take off in America, because it rewards failure<br />--------<br /><br />Spot on. It rewards failure. It rewards the plodder and the safety player more than the flair attacker.<br /><br />It rewards fluke pots.<br /><br />It allows a player to make a mistake and, as you say, go back and just do it better next time.<br /><br />It basically has way too much luck involved and is aimed more at defence rather than what it should be aimed at more... attack.<br /><br />It does not allow a choice of formats.<br /><br />Unfortunately getting this through to the likes of Dave Hendon, is impossible. <br /><br />Over here, people think you are crazy for suggesting such improvements and they believe the rules are set in stone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-7398540203467839352011-11-07T15:04:15.155+00:002011-11-07T15:04:15.155+00:00It's certainly true that snooker was developed...It's certainly true that snooker was developed from other cue sports but the game in its current form has stood the test of time and is of proven popularity as it is<br /><br />All these changes are just answers to questions nobody askedDave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08037719321756898982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-76144553571794996232011-11-07T14:52:48.187+00:002011-11-07T14:52:48.187+00:00Wasn't snooker the Power billiards of its day?...Wasn't snooker the Power billiards of its day? Neville Chamberlain can hardly complain, considering he bastardised billiards by adding more balls and making them worth more points, just for the sake of entertainment. Why should a green ball be worth more than a yellow? It doesn't makes sense! There is no logic.<br /><br />As for ball in hand, well if you don't want to gift your opponent then don't miss. If someone has laid a good snooker on you, why should you get half a dozen attempts to hit the ball and possibly put your opponent back in a snooker? I mean, if you sit a bad exam it's not like you can go back in and resit the same exam again is it until you get the grade you want? This is why snooker will never take off in America, because it rewards failure. Barry Hearn and Sky should be commended for trying to abolish reward for failure from snooker.Ashton Kutchernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-12727023169348294432011-11-07T13:37:52.110+00:002011-11-07T13:37:52.110+00:00Well said Dave. It's about time somebody stood...Well said Dave. It's about time somebody stood up and spoke out.<br />The genius that was Sir Neville Chamberlain would be turning in his grave if he could see the way his beautiful game is being bastardised. It demeans the professionals who play it. Shot clocks; time-outs; ball in hand .... and all the other pathetic irrelevancies make me sick to the stomach.<br />Please Barry can we have our game back? The unadulterated, wonderful game that is snooker.Raynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-12710349861560552272011-11-07T13:25:29.288+00:002011-11-07T13:25:29.288+00:00The question that should be asked is how come two ...The question that should be asked is how come two senior players were unaware of the rules.As far as the shot clock is concerned i think it was a good idea for this event,the incident surrounding the ball in hand rule looked a bit distasteful on tv and opened the door to the "traditional game argument" which i agree with,but its unjustified at the moment the game needs these events and all said and done are enjoyable.For me Davis and Parrott were at fault because i would expect these two too be fully aware of the rules as they are standard bearers for the game.147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-49807728200723066192011-11-07T13:16:33.053+00:002011-11-07T13:16:33.053+00:00Watching Thorburn -v- Mountjoy I was quite glad th...Watching Thorburn -v- Mountjoy I was quite glad that the match was only being played over 3 frames. But for the players still capable of making big breaks a slightly longer format would probably be appropriate - maybe 3/5/9/11 from first round to final?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-54021461621894501322011-11-07T13:12:21.765+00:002011-11-07T13:12:21.765+00:00Seniors events could be a useful tool for reintrod...Seniors events could be a useful tool for reintroducing the game to places like Canada and South Africa where the game was once popular.<br /><br />I realise that the cost of staging tournaments there might be prohibitive but there might be a case for WS to allow these countries free access to TV packages in return for peak or near peak time viewing. It might turn out to be a good investment.kildare cuemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-74759846987690453182011-11-07T11:39:46.167+00:002011-11-07T11:39:46.167+00:00Really have no idea what the point of the "th...Really have no idea what the point of the "three miss leads to ball in hand" rule was supposed to be. The talking to players between frames was ridiculous as well. Is it not enough to have to listen to those pointless, tedious interviews with Andy Goldstein?<br /><br />The shame is that if you take all that stuff away, you actually have the makings of a very good event. <br /><br />There could be an argument for making the matches longer, although obviously not if that would affect Sky's willingness to show it.<br /><br />The pockets did seem exceptionally generous, but I don't really have a problem with that. Some of these older guys might really struggle to produce a watchable standard if they were playing with pockets the same as regular events. It's like Seniors golf - the courses aren't on remotely the same level of difficulty as the main tours.<br /><br />Overall I thought it was a really enjoyable couple of days, and who knows, it may even help get Sky interested in showing a proper tournament again.<br /><br />But please get rid of the daft gimmicks. An event like this is built on nostalgia, and there was none of that gimmickry in the days when these guys were at their peak, popularising the game to the sort of people who a seniors event is aimed at.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-72515039377522894902011-11-07T11:32:02.034+00:002011-11-07T11:32:02.034+00:00The game didn't fail, the people running it di...The game didn't fail, the people running it did, particularly in not taking it to places where it is popular, such as Germany<br /><br />No gimmicks there, just a proper tournament, much appreciated by capacity crowdsDave Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08037719321756898982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-61619965434561017802011-11-07T11:22:38.471+00:002011-11-07T11:22:38.471+00:00Methinks a lot of you forget why Hearn was brought...Methinks a lot of you forget why Hearn was brought in... because "traditionalism" failed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-78851209891648664922011-11-07T10:10:11.035+00:002011-11-07T10:10:11.035+00:00Should the sponsorship money not go up now? I am s...Should the sponsorship money not go up now? I am sure Darren Morgan and Steve Davis are happy if they assume there was nothing else on this last weekend gone the £18k and £8k is ok and perhaps they will get a few exhibitions out of the tv exposure and/or in Morgan's case he might put his price up a wee bit. But how is it economical for tCliff Thorburn and Dene O'Kane to travel to it:- after tax and expenses they prob broke even? The sponsors are getting 2 days on TV albeit a minor station for £50k all in. Not sure who pays the behind the scenes costs- venue, officials etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-48024646479180037882011-11-07T10:06:28.749+00:002011-11-07T10:06:28.749+00:00Theres not a chance Baz will use the same format f...Theres not a chance Baz will use the same format for next year. Selby, Bingham, Morgan? not a chance. Sky, and most viewers would run a mile.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-78182393419788267762011-11-07T08:10:08.207+00:002011-11-07T08:10:08.207+00:00well said dave.
and well done darren
it takes a ...well said dave.<br /><br />and well done darren<br /><br />it takes a 'special' type of "fan" who wants snooker changed to the extremes sky go to and we all know who they are.<br /><br />anyway, the tournament was very good and i enjoyed it.<br /><br />i cant wait to see darren in the premier league next year. i think he will do better then jimmy has done this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-90060619020161713292011-11-07T07:57:50.119+00:002011-11-07T07:57:50.119+00:00I'd still trust him over Richard Gere to look ...I'd still trust him over Richard Gere to look after your hamster, Claus.<br /><br />Anyway, I think what it does prove is that there is a market for nostalgia, rather than a senior tour per se. I'm sure the Welsh Open would be a sell-out if it was the only snooker tournament all year round. But it does raise a question itself: there is a lot of affection for this set of players, I wonder if there will be for the likes of Hendry, Higgins and Ronnie twenty years down the line? Maybe we will have to move on from seniors snooker to geriatric snooker? I'm glad that a non-tour player won it though, I think it defeats the purpose when you have the final being contested by a couple of tour players. It makes you wonder what happened to Darren Morgan though. He dropped off the tour at a relatively young age, and given his recent achievements looks like he could have been competitive on it over the last decade; it will be interesting to see how he fares in the Premier League next year, or indeed if he will accept the invitation to compete...<br /><br />Anyway I'm pleased to see Davis kick the new miss rule into the grass. The players shot this down so they should stop trying to force it on them. Hopefully other players will follow suit in the Premier League, and play safe off ball-in hand rather than take advantage of a diabolical rule.Betty Logannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-37824213452472147342011-11-07T00:58:56.006+00:002011-11-07T00:58:56.006+00:00Nicely written Dave. I agree. There was little poi...Nicely written Dave. I agree. There was little point in the new rules which could have instead just been politely asking the players not to get lost in story telling.<br /><br />Regarding Barry Hearn, he has done great things in a short period of time but he has also started cutting the branch he sits on. He told us he wouldn't mess with the classics - and then butchered the UK format. His credibility took a big hit there. And also not tweaking the PTC concept when obvious problems exist and reasonable solutions have been put forward is very disappointing. And now I don't trust him not to mess with the World Championship. That's like trusting him to look after my cat after he flushed my hamsters.<br /><br />Aaaaanyway, congratulations Darren Morgan. Will he now be included in the Premier League or what was it that this title granted access to?Clausnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-206551004468340242011-11-06T23:03:54.646+00:002011-11-06T23:03:54.646+00:00I agree with you 100% Dave. The game does not need...I agree with you 100% Dave. The game does not need tampering with.<br /><br />The shot clock and buzzer was a pointless waste of time and probably cost Jimmy his semi. <br /><br />The miss rule and play from hand was ridiculous. I suppose Sky were happy as it created controversy. But also the effect was to put an elderly and well respected referee under pressure on live TV. It says it all that John Williams had to have a copy of the rules about his person. <br /><br />What's next I wonder? Three misses and you have to turn the cue around and play with the cue butt?! Now that would be a bunch of a$r$e...Colin Mnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29605452.post-61344592987303133562011-11-06T22:43:11.665+00:002011-11-06T22:43:11.665+00:00Well said! It's the strong tradition that give...Well said! It's the strong tradition that gives the game its charm. Hopefully the game won't get dumbed down or changed to the unrecognizable - which you put nicely yourself. <br /><br />It's a tricky situation though because Barry has sprung new life into snooker but made some controversial changes as well. But in the end I agree with you; as long as the world championship is kept intact and hopefully the UK and the Masters as well (if hypotethically the UK's format is reverted back to the original), it's the most important thing.Kjetil Hårtveitnoreply@blogger.com