One
of Britain’s best known snooker clubs, Willie Thorne’s in Leicester, closed
yesterday after 32 years.
The
reason given is that the council need the building for office space. A council
spokesman told the Leicester Mercury: "The lease for the snooker hall was
sold by Willie Thorne some years ago and the current operators have never
signed a lease.
"We
gave them notice we would be ending their tenancy and they have accepted this. We
own the building and already have some offices there. We are looking at the
options for using the rest of it for office accommodation but no plans have
yet been drawn up."
The
current operators are Rileys, who own a number of snooker clubs in the UK.
Regardless
of the reasons, the closure of WT’s is symbolic of the downturn in interest in
the game in the UK.
People
often talk of the extraordinary viewing figures snooker achieved on British TV
in the 1980s but participation levels were also huge. Children all around the
country were getting small snooker tables as Christmas presents, including a 12
year-old Stephen Hendry. It was a game that could not be ignored. But times
change.
WT’s
was an iconic club because it was widely used for tournaments, particularly for
juniors.
Most
professionals of the last 30 years passed through its doors dreaming of one day
emulating their heroes in the professional ranks.
This
was long before players complained snooker was getting in the way of their social
life: this was their social life. It was Saturday mornings on the motorway,
obliging parents shipping young hopefuls to junior events.
It was a generation of boys whose enthusiasm for snooker knew no bounds.
It
was here that friendships and rivalries formed which still stand to this day.
It was here that young talent was nurtured, most particularly by Malcolm
Thorne, Willie’s brother, an unsung hero in the development of many careers.
Mark
Selby was one of them. He said: “It’s a sad day because I wouldn't be where I
was without Willie Thorne's. I played there from the age of 11 to 16 and
Willie's brother, Malcolm, let me practice for free and he sponsored me in my
first competitions. I have a lot of great memories of the
club.”
The
snooker boom of the 1980s on British television led to an explosion in clubs
but in recent years many have closed.
This
is because of a number of reasons. Honeymoons don’t last forever. Snooker was
the in thing for many years but fashions change.
The
smoking ban hit the sport hard. Snooker clubs are not just about snooker but are
social hubs. Many enjoyed going in for a chat and a smoke and a drink and,
maybe, a few frames as well.
But
the game has also gradually disappeared from mainstream TV.
When
I was a kid in the 1980s there were as many as nine tournaments on terrestrial
television. Now there are three, and they do not receive the terrestrial hours
they used to.
Just
yesterday the BBC announced it was reducing its red button output to only one
channel from later this month. This means for its snooker tournaments the most
it can show is one table and, at times, there won’t even be that.
All
of the above has a knock-on effect. Wales has always been a stronghold for the
sport but just recently the snooker hall at Pontardawe Arts Centre was threatened
with closure.
Why?
Because its takings from five tables had fallen from £24,000 to just £2,000.
The number of people using the tables has fallen from 18,600 to 1,600.
Snooker
is no longer a game large numbers of British kids want to play.
Some
still do, obviously. But junior events simply do not attract the same numbers
they once did.
Readers
from elsewhere in the world may well say, ‘so what?’ The Brits have had it too
good for too long. The qualifying set-up is still based in the UK and the
circuit has long been biased towards British players.
This
is true but it is because of the demand in Britain for snooker. As that demand
declines, what of the future?
16 comments:
The decision by the BBC won't worry Hearn because China will be the next country to host it because THAT is where the money is. Can't see the Crucible contract being renewed when it becomes due for re-negotiation!
I wouldn't be too concerned. The game has levelled off in the UK but is huge in China and Germany.
In time, it will become huge in other countries, and as a world circuit evolves, the 2 or 3 tournaments in the UK will be bigger and better.
Who knows, maybe it will go full circle and take off again in a few years.
sad news / great blogging
It is a sad when you hear of great Snooker clubs closing.
You are right Dave when you say “Snooker clubs are not just about snooker but are social hubs. Many enjoyed going in for a chat and a smoke and a drink and, maybe, a few frames as well.” I myself worked in Brondesbury Snooker club myself, which was in Kilburn & nearly half of the 400 members didn’t play Snooker. Well, certainly not when they were sober.
Another great iconic club which has also closed, a few years ago now, was Ron Gross Snooker Club in Neasden NW London. There wasn’t many Snooker clubs I walked in to without my cue, but this was certainly one of them.
As said, it is a sad day when you hear of great, great Snooker clubs closing.
I'd be worried, to be honest and I actually don't want snooker to be China based completely! Said it before but Hearn needs help, will take more than Fishomania boy to re energise the game. That said, not impossible either.
I'm a huge Moroccan snooker fan, and I really enjoyed this article. The comment about China being the new "home" of Snooker is acurate as well. But you can't deny that they need to improve. Every time there is a tournament in China, there's so much to complain about, not only from viewers, but more importantly from players (mobile phones going off, climate issues,etc...)
Not to distance myself from the subject, but Morocco can be a successful market for snooker as well. I mean our clubs are certainly not empty. There is a great passion amongst youngsters here for this sport. If only Barry Hearn could try to shake things up in North Africa in general, and Morocco in particular.
Rileys have been looking to sell Willie Thorne's for quite a number of years as it was one of the worst performing clubs in terms of revenue in its portfolio. As a rough guide, the club was operating on a turnover of circa £100k per annum including wet sales, memberships, food and so on. When a huge portion of that goes on salaries it doesn't leave much for the rent, utilities and table maintenance.
I wonder what would have happened if someone had bought WT's from Rileys and then the new owners evicted ?
Still, there won't be many tears for WT's at Rileys HQ. I do wonder whether their obvious incompetence in not signing a lease for the building in the last 14 years wasn't deliberate as it gave them the perfect get out with little PR damage..
I loved playing at Willie Thorne's when I was at university in Leicester. Huge, cavernous club, with 20+ really good quality tables and a lot of good players. I wasn't one of them mind....
If you read the BBC press release it confirms that "content previously on red button will be available on BBC Online" so you will still get a choice of 2 tables, depending where you live.
I have mentioned this change to the Red Button on this forum many times before - it is part of the cost cutting package agreed between the BBC and the Government. Anyone could have protested during the consultation stage - maybe I was the only one who did.
What I would like to see on BBC TV as well as the 3+1 tournaments are a Friday - Sunday PTC, snookers 20:20.
in the 80s Snooker was what X Factor and reality shows are today.
so instead of Dreaming to be a Snooker Player Kids want to grow up to be a Singer or Just lounge about on TV while people vote them out.
Trend of the times in Britain.
It was sad that a chain like Rileys took over a great independent club like Willie Thorne's in the first place.
As well as the juniors, the club held a myriad of pro-ams and in the mid 80s-90s a lot of World Ladies Ranking events as well.
So my particular tribute is on behalf of all the Lady players who were encouraged and given great playing opportunities at Willie's
And we can't let the era past without also a word for Nancy (Willie's mum) and her legendary Sunner Dinners.
The catering at the club was always excellent too.
I remember Willie telling me once that as much square footage was devoted to social activities at the club, as was given to the snooker tables. They had darts, cribbage etc, all the things you'd get in your local pub.
It is the passing of an era and a very sad passing too.
Thank you Willie, Nancy, Malc and Roger for everything you did for snooker and for all of us for many many years.
Lady players playing at Willie's, what's the betting they got shafted..
whats a myriad janie?
It's very sad to hear of the demise of the iconic Willie Thorne Snooker Centre. It seems that snooker in the UK is suffering from "death by a thousand cuts".
I wonder if Barry Hearn or Jason Ferguson have any initiatives in place to revive the game in this country? Or is it already too late?
Personally I don't think it is too late and if you don't have a go you'll never know.
Alot of people have alot to thank Malcolm Thorne for. R.I.P.
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/save-willie-thornes-snooker-centre-in-loving-memory-of-malcolm-thorne
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