Mark Davis and Marcus Campbell would appear to be late bloomers judging by their steady progress over the last 2-3 seasons.
They had both been saddled with the dread tag 'journeyman' for years before finally breaking into the top 32.
They have done it by consistently making it through the qualifiers and then getting some good results at venues and in PTCs.
With so many tournaments now, consistency is rewarded and confidence can be found. Both Davis and Campbell turn 40 this year but are experiencing the best spells of their careers.
They are through to the quarter-finals of the Wuxi Classic today. Davis faces Graeme Dott, whose 85 to kill off the decider against Rod Lawler yesterday included a good, do-or-die brown into the pack.
Campbell meets Mark Williams, who has started the new season better than he finished the last.
If Davis and Campbell are to make the next step up then these are matches they need to win, against proven tournaments winners.
Neither has ever been in a ranking event semi-final before but in snooker, no matter the age, no matter the career background, it's never necessarily too late if you believe in yourself.