Nothing says 'summertime' like a venal struggle for power at the heart of a snooker association and it has fallen to our friends in Scotland to oblige this year.
An EGM has been called for July 5th in which members of Scottish Snooker Ltd, the governing body of amateur snooker in Scotland, will vote on whether to remove the entire board of directors, which is currently chaired by Stevie Baillie.
If you ever visit the forums of the Scottish Snooker website, you will see that all sides, from players to board members, are not averse to having a good old ruck in public.
They would all doubtless argue they are doing the best for snooker north of the border and I have no reason to question any of their intentions.
However, the country that gave us Stephen Hendry and John Higgins doesn't seem to be producing much in the way of new talent.
Anthony McGill is a teenager who has plenty of potential but the wave of players who came through in Hendry's wake appears to have turned into a slow trickle.
You'd hope that, whatever happens at the EGM, all involved will be prepared to put aside personal squabbles and get on with the job of providing a fertile breeding ground for fresh talent.
If they don't, one of snooker's historic strongholds may become just that - a thing of history.
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i think that most uk countries have their fair share of up and coming youngsters but most of them realise that they have to be exceptional to make it a career in this day and age and so perhaps dont take the plunge when needed.
20 years or so ago there was much more prospect in snooker and more money too, but nowadays theres less tournaments and much less money unless youre at the very top....
just my thoughts on why there seems to be few youngsters coming through and having had hendry and higgins in the past would have no bearing on whether someone takes the plunge and tries to make a good fist of it as a career.
just my two pence worth..
Where is all the emerging talent from Scotland? Maybe McGill will be the next rising star from north of the border.
The EGM has nothing to do with personal squabbles.
The chairman and six other directors are being held accountable for serious financial mismanagement along with breaches of the companies act
29 members of Scottish Snooker Ltd have called for an EGM to remove seven directors of the NGB, including the Chairman Stevie Baillie, and replace them with three new directors, Mark Boyle, Paul Marinello and Bobby Cruikshanks.
Only the recently co-opted directors, Crawford Mitchell and Frank Hamilton are excluded from the action.
This is a resounding declaration of “no confidence” in the board by approximately 40% of the voting members.
It would appear that long suffering players have had enough and are not prepared to wait until the AGM in October to instigate change.
Unresolved issues in areas of finance, dubious AGM voting procedures and tournament structure appear to be the catalysts for change, and the three EGM nominee directors have pledges of support from others inside and outside the NGB to bring total stability and harmony back into Scottish Snooker if the afore-mentioned directors are removed.
The EGM call follows on from the Audit Request submitted on the 25th April, which many feel will be ignored. So there is now a progressive demand to remove the Chairman and directors who have failed to produce transparency and answers to membership concerns.
Should the action be successful it would appear that a new administration will be able to draw on resources and massive support to produce an integrated Scottish Snooker tournament schedule in time for the new season, together with fiscal control that seems to have been non-existent in the last 12 months.
This action is being taken now because it is believed that stagnation has set in and there will be a drastic reduction in membership renewal unless there is immediate major personnel change in the administration of Scottish Snooker. Many players have already declared that they will not be playing “the NGB game” next season.
It is believed that Scottish Snooker would be better served if the seven directors stood down immediately, for the good of the game, on the basis of this latest demand.
What do you mean "[Scotland] doesn't seem to be producing much in the way of new talent."
What about Rory McLeod!!
i can just tell everyone who read the last post laughed so much that they thought it was worth the effort of you typing it.
I don't think Anthony McGill is the best prospect for Scotland, i seen him a few months back in PIOS and thought he was a much better player last year at the European Championships. I think a couple of very bad decisions from him this year have cost him the main tour place.
I don't know all the ins and outs of all this. I come from the other end of the U.K, but all I can say is that they are in a big mess.
To say that 29 members of Scottish Snooker have demanded the removal of 7 directors, is totaly wrong. The members were issued and told to sign a statement calling for the accounts to be audited. at no point did it mention removing the directors from Scottish Snooker. I know this because i was one of the members who singed it.
To say that 29 members of Scottish Snooker have demanded the removal of 7 directors, is totaly wrong. The members were issued and told to sign a statement calling for the accounts to be audited. at no point did it mention removing the directors from Scottish Snooker. I know this because i was one of the members who singed it.
You are correct. The Audit demand didn't say anything about directors being removed. And I don't think you signed it! You may have singed it but that's all.
And you are wrong.........29 members did sign a document to get rid of 7 directors. I know this because I was one of those who signed that one as well
And you are wrong here as well!............"The members were issued and told to sign a statement calling for the accounts to be audited."
That did not happen.
let us know which one you were!:_...............
SCOTTISH SNOOKER LTD
NOTICE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENERAL MEETING
In accordance with section 305 of the Companies Act 2006, an extraordinary general meeting of the company will be held:-
@
The Corn Exchange Village
11 Newmarket Road
Edinburgh
EH14 1RJ
Tel. 0131 443 2437
on
5th July 2009 @ 1pm.
The purpose of the meeting is to consider the following motion:-
Be it resolved that the following directors of Scottish Snooker Ltd be removed from office with immediate effect, namely:-
Stephen Baillie, Alec Cameron, William Craig, Hugh Brown, Annemarie Reilly, Patrick Higgins and Helen Burton;
and be replaced with new directors listed here-under:-
1. Mark Boyle
2. Paul Marinello
3. Bobby Cruikshanks
Any VOTING member of Scottish Snooker Ltd is entitled to appoint another person as his proxy to exercise all or any of his rights to attend and to speak and vote at a meeting of the company.
All proxies should be returned in a sealed envelope at least 48 hours before the meeting to:-
Scottish Snooker Proxies
C/o Maureen Clark Secretary
The Corn Exchange Village
11 Newmarket Road
Edinburgh
EH14 1RJ
This notice has been issued by the 29 signatories, who asserted their rights in the original EGM request, and confirmed they would do so in the event of default by the directors of Scottish Snooker Ltd:-
Kenny Baird, John Bennett, Billy Boyce, Mark Boyle, Robert Carlisle, Michael Collumb, Bobby Cruikshanks, Scott Dunbar, Paul Jamieson, Ben Kibble, Gary Landa (Singh), Craig MacGillivray, Paul Marinello, Lee Marshall, Bob McCabe, Alan McCabe, Richy McDonald, Iain McDonald, Anthony McGill, Mark Owens, David Patterson, Fraser Patrick, Michael Polley, Dawud Qadir, James Stewart, Garry Turner, Ross Vallance, Craig Williams, Barry Wraith.
Signed
Paul Marinello
Shandon Snooker
Slateford Road
Edinburgh
EH11 1QY
The SSL Directors are clutching at straws by trying to rubbish the document by insinuating that it was falsified.
I was one of the players who signed and fully understood both the audit & the EGM documents.
The thing that i dont understand is where has all the SSL money gone to, i hear that they currently have only £300 in the bank, and they never even paid out any prizemoney last season.
Its time for change, the board must go to move the game in Scotland forward!!!
There is a £50 reward for you on the premier website !!!
http://premiersnooker.iycdesign.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36621#post36621
correct Max !!
Must be a board member who singed it!
Sounds very similar to the F1 situation at the moment. NOT very good for the game of snooker.
All the board had to do was answer the questions, the books of last year have not yet been discused or passed by the members.
The minutes of last years AGM are not yet available.
All we asked for was answers.
Why did we not get them? A year is long enough.
I've notice on the Premier website that Alan Craig seems to have a lot to say on the matter. I remember he was surrounded by some very controvertial issues when he was involved in the running of the game in Scotland a few years back.
Stevie your spelling is atrocious
Who ever you are, why don't you tel us I'm happy to meet with you and debate any of the issues that seem to be preying on your mind, but you will need to brush up on your spelling.
tell even !! LOL
I've noticed on the Scottish snooker website that Stevie Baillie & Co seems to have very little to say on matters. Theyve been surrounded by some very controvertial issues in the running of the game in Scotland in the past few years.
Accounts not adequate, draws, money stolen at Euros, Democratic voting process corrupted, failure to abide by company law, the lists endless
How more controversial issues does one need.
As you say "Accounts not adequate, draws, MONEY STOLEN etc," all sounds very familiar when it comes to the name Alan Craig.
Alan, you might think your a smart guy, but maybe you should start by brushing up on your communication skills i.e. name calling, question and answer sessions with yourself etc. Maybe then you can start criticising peoples' spelling mistakes!
Here's a word to start you off on your question and answer session on here "CONMAN"
"signed" even! LOL
oops, wee slip of the finger
Without being involved in a slanging match between the 2 of yous whoever you are, it would be more constructive if you both where to contact each other by phone without hiding behind anonymous names.
I noticed that Mr Craig has the character to post in his own name, Mr Anonymous you have failed to reveal your identity!
Who has more to lose or statements arent factual hiding behind an alias.
I wonder.
It wouldnt be hard to get Mr Craigs phone number, ive just seen it on The Premier website, but its not my arguement or place to publish his number.
Get this resolved man 2 man.
Without being involved in a slanging match between the 2 of yous whoever you are, it would be more constructive if you both where to contact each other by phone without hiding behind anonymous names.
I noticed that Mr Craig has the character to post in his own name, Mr Anonymous you have failed to reveal your identity!
Who has more to lose or statements arent factual hiding behind an alias.
I wonder.
It wouldnt be hard to get Mr Craigs phone number, ive just seen it on The Premier website, but its not my arguement or place to publish his number.
Get this resolved man 2 man.
Thanks pro. I would take up your offer to contact Alan direct, but that is why the game in scotland is in such a mess because these people are not open to other peoples views or oppinions only their own. as for who i am, me & Allan go way back... oh and I have looked on that website again and their are PLENTY of alias so I will remain anonymous who ever you are(THE PRO)
p.s. theres a few mistakes(spelling AND grammar) in here for Allan to go threw!!!
cos i no he likes them!!!!!
Anon- thanks for your reply although i find it very confusing.
If you and Mr Craig go 'back a long way' surely it would be better to speak to him direct rather than venting your fury on our blog.
You state that 'these people are not open to other peoples views or oppinions only their own'
You yourself are open to ridicule as you hide behind an alias and do not wish to listen to Mr craigs views/opinions through the art of conversation.
As for the grammar mistakes- please grow up!
The ridicule and abuse i've taken on here is nothing compared to the stuff these guys have dished out on the premier website over the past year or so under alias names, just take a look back and see for yourself.
They don't like the taste of their own medicine.
Re the spelling & grammar mistakes- point taken!
Anon-Personal abuse is very hard to take and not acceptable in any shape or form.
My advice to yourself would be to contact Mr Craig directly to resolve your differences. also not to reply to anymore posts on this blog it only makes matters worse.
With regards to the Scottish EGM the victors in the end will be the ones who have carried out the proper process in calling the meeting.
Heres to an end to this Scottish mess.
Is Alan Craig the guy who took over £300 of members money from a club, is minuted in SSL as doing so, wrote a cheque to cover the money which he then cancelled and was shown on the accounts of SSL as a bad debtor for several years?
How can this guy show his face?
Mr Craig does seem to have a chequered past when it come to his past with SSL with moneys going missing etc, does the game really want him involved? It also seems that most of this other side who want to controll the game have had fair disciplinaries against them or parents who have disagreed with the board with issues with seeding for their own childrens tournaments when the top players kept getting drawn against each other in the early rounds. Also Tam McGill (Anthonys dad) has a personal grievance with the chairman with respect of a newspaper stating that the chairmans daughter was the youngest Scottish player to represent her country in an international event, this information was sourced by the reporter directly from Janie Watkins of Global Snooker and from what i can make out had nothing to do with Mr Ballie, so there seems to be other motives here for the removal of the current board, maybe the members of this other partys history should be examined a bit more closely.
There has been talk on the other website of how SSL youth numbers have fallen away, ask yourself this, do these young players bother with the politics of the game? Are they interested in who they play or where they play? My answer would be NO. Its a shame that these youngsters are not getting the chance to play for their country because dad says no because he "doesnt like the board". I seem to remember that at last years 'Auld Enemy' clash, it was widley known that 1 of the younger players (a very good player) was in tears in his bedroom because his dad said he couldnt go to Leeds to play because he didnt like the board and he wasnt supporting anything the board did. HOW WRONG IS THIS!!!?? Children have no perception of the politics and when you read some of the posts which they put up on other websites, you know for a fact by the punctuation and grammar, that they posts have in fact been written by their parents.
Its no wonder that Scotland isnt producing future superstars with the current number 'allowed' to play by their parents in SSL events. This other party should be ashamed of themselves preventing their children from playing for their country, can there be any higher accolade?
""Is Alan Craig the guy who took over £300 of members money from a club, is minuted in SSL as doing so, wrote a cheque to cover the money which he then cancelled and was shown on the accounts of SSL as a bad debtor for several years?
How can this guy show his face?""
LOL Unbelievable....no doubt you have a copy of the minute to which you refer?
Quote from 'The Max '
The thing that i dont understand is where has all the SSL money gone to, i hear that they currently have only £300 in the bank, and they never even paid out any prizemoney last season.
Its time for change, the board must go to move the game in Scotland forward!!!
By Anonymous TheMax, At 8:43 PM
By doing a little digging on the SSL website,these are the figures that have been posted by the board for some of the expenditure for last season:
£3,400 (estimate) was paid out in prize money
£4,400 est paid out in player funding
£1,300 est paid out in trophies
and around £600 to take the juniors to Sheffield for the Worlds in April.
Maybe people should look first before shouting??
Anonymus, i too have been diggihg a little on the SSL website and i cant find the £600 to take the juniors to Sheffield mentioned anywhere on the site.
It does mention that the kids did go to the crucible then they had a weekend of hard bagpacking to pay for there venture. so i take it with this information that you have to hand (£600) that you must be a SSL board member.
It doesnt matter a jot to me whether you are or not, and i dont really care about how much spin you put on proceedings all i do care is that the game is run properley and people tell the truth.
It also states on a post on your site that no prizemoney was to be paid out so where do you get the £3400 paid out on prizemoney.
I await your reply Mr Anonymus SSL board member.
Its not 'my' website and I am NOT a board member, in fact I'm not even a member of SSL, just someone intrested in facts. If I was a board member, I certainly wouldn't be on here as anon Mr Pro, are you a board member on SSL, or a head honcho for the SYSA that I read so much about, I have told you the truth in my status, how about you? Its sad to see so much anamosity up there in Scotland when such a country has produced some of the games finest, are you one of them Mr Pro?
Mr Anon- i take it by the tone of your reply that you are very annoyed.
I do not care what happens in Scotland i am only expressing my opinion which you are legally entitled to do in my country.
You still have not divulged where you sourced your information regarding the £600.
Let me finish by saying that i am not a 'head honcho' for the Scottish Youth Hostel Association that you elude to.
I still await your reply Mr Anonymus.
Since when did SYSA stand for Scottish Youth Hostel Association?!? Puzzled by that one, watch out Mr Craig will soon be on correcting our spelling and vocabulary again!:)
"LOL unbelievable... No doubt you have a copy of the minute to which you refer?"
Oh c'mon now Mr Craig you're not going to try and deny this, are you?
There are enough well respected people in the game up here (on both sides) that i know wouldn't even enter the same building let alone the same room as you regarding this. They all can't be wrong surely?
I see a quote from the Premier website from Stevie Polley regarding people who lose their stance in debates etc revert to personal attacks on people.
What a laugh!!!
This is from the same people who described the Chairman of Scottish Snooker as a cancerous growth, and the rest of the board as parasites!!!
Well Mr Pro, there was over £1200 prize money paid out alone in the Edinburgh and Glasgow opens held last season, were you not playing in those events? Search on SSL's website and look under Scottish Open Tournaments for details, I'll leave the rest of the prize monies paid out for you to peruse yourself.
Mr Anon, you have completeley lost me to which you are referring to!
If you have an issue with these people you would be wise to vent youre fury in the correct manner , not to go on a rant on a well established blog.
If i were one of the parasites or even Mr Craig to which you have been ridiculing, accusing i would be instructing others to take action on yourself.
Are you aware that you cannot hide behind an anonymus name on a blog as the owners, administrators can verify your identity by your ip address, blackberry or not.
I know that this is the case due to my line of employment.
May i also take this opportunity to apologise for misreading your previous post regarding the SYSA not the SYHA.
If there is approx £300 in ths SSL coffers at the moment? where is the £500 from John Higgins? is that in the cash account that was in minus last year?
Is the SSL chairman still receiving his £2,5000 admin money despite the horrific dept that he got SSL in?
I havent indicated that I have any issue with anyone and am not venting any fury, where do you get that from? I am only interested in facts and as an outsider from any organisation and a casual player of the game, I am only interested in whats best for the sport. I think though with the statement from yourself stating "If i were one of the parasites or even Mr Craig to which you have been ridiculing, accusing i would be instructing others to take action on yourself." you might be putting yourself in a situation calling people parasites.
As far as my identity is concerned, the fact i have chosen to be Anon is no concern of yours and as the website offers the option of being anon, then there would be legal ramifications should any of my details being made public unless I break the rules within the website which then would nullify my right to be anon.
Apology accepted for SYSA thing although not necessary as i realised that it was a misread on your behalf. Its all about hitting a ball on the table, not politics. :)
OOps! £2,500 :-)
Mr Anon i apologise if it wasnt yourself that posted the following--
Is Alan Craig the guy who took over £300 of members money from a club, is minuted in SSL as doing so, wrote a cheque to cover the money which he then cancelled and was shown on the accounts of SSL as a bad debtor for several years?
As you say in your post that you have the right to remain anonymus as you have never broken any rules. The person who scribed the above post accusing your friend Mr Craig to misapropriating funds has broken the rules, he has accused an individual of stealing money.
If i were Mr Craig i would take this spiteful person to task with the relevent authorities.
Hell mend them, YOU REEP WHAT YOU SOW!
PS< you still havent clarified my initial question that i posed to you in an earlier post regarding the £600?
Enough already!
I realise it was my own fault for starting this thread but I was perhaps naive as to just how venal and bitter it all is in Scottish amateur snooker.
When you've all stopped throwing insults at each other perhaps someone might take some time to think about the game itself in Scotland.
That's assuming it still exists by then.
Well said, i hope it all ends well 'for the good of the Scottish game'
The thing that i dont understand is where has all the SSL money gone to, i hear that they currently have only £300 in the bank, and they never even paid out any prizemoney last season.
Its time for change, the board must go to move the game in Scotland forward!!!
By Anonymous TheMax, At 8:43 PM
By doing a little digging on the SSL website,these are the figures that have been posted by the board for some of the expenditure for last season:
£3,400 (estimate) was paid out in prize money
£4,400 est paid out in player funding
£1,300 est paid out in trophies
and around £600 to take the juniors to Sheffield for the Worlds in April.
Maybe people should look first before shouting??
**I believe the turnover was just under £30K so where's the rest?
All the board have to do is answer the questions asked of them. They have not done so, ask yourself why?
Dave H, I don't think venal and bitter is correct.
I think tired and frustrated would be more appropriate. The board will not answer any questions, an audit has been requested and not done, a membership list has been requested and not supplied.
The above is 100% factual. Court action has been theatened, reports to companies house have been threatened but the board will not comply with their legally binding duties.
I have no dount that this will all end in tears but it could have been avoided so easily, there were tow AGMs last year, neither was conducted properly.
It's just so difficult and it shouldn't be. The incompetence is staggering.
Here's another example of the incompetence, SSL took £250 from 6 individuals last August/September for coaching courses which included getting their disclosure done to allow them to coach kids.
The board have not yet completed the paperwork all these months later.
Leaving only one SSL registered coach in the land.
Would you care to guess who?
Phone these guys, ask them.
I see it has all went quiet in here on the Scottish Stuff.
Has the postings been suspended.
Has anyone ever asked James McBain ex Pro and Former Scottish No.1 or Martin Dzielwialtowski ex Pro what their thoughts are on Mr Alan Craig.
He still owes both of them £sss... from when he was at the helm of SB&SA.
Non believers - please check with both these lads.
Martin now works for a living and James is back on the Scottish Amateur circuit.
Oh and what about tournaments with 100+ entries at £10 each and less than £200 paid out in Prizes and trophies.
Is there records of what the change was used for?
Alan Craig should be able to help you there - he was running the show single handedly then.
Although he may be too busy to answer any of your questions on here as he is currently spending his days answering his OWN question on other forums!
Mr Anonymus, were all getting bored with your tired antiquated accusations.
We all really dont care about the past history of scottish snooker, why dont you channel all your energies on sorting out your sorry mess in Scotland by joining your NGB board.
Please take this comment constructivley- be very, very careful on what you post on a worldwide blog,it has a habit of coming back and smacking you in the teeth.
Ive just visited the SSL website and just noticed that a post was put up today at 9.07am.
Mr Anonymus'post today was submitted ON THIS BLOG at 8.58am, a coincidence or not!
Oh and what about tournaments with 100+ entries at £10 each and less than £200 paid out in Prizes and trophies.
Well whoever u r, its £200 more than u paid out in this years events.
Well done alan i hope u r sucessful on gettin this board out, they r a nightmare, i was told that at 1 of the open events that John higgins won- a stagering £1000 WAS PAYED OUT for administrasion money. John an Markus each got about £600 each the administrator or whoever u wani call them got more than the winners.
This mob have 2 go nobody likes them and nobody wants them, infact if it was up 2 me i would report them 4 witholding the companies dets fae the acounts, its criminal.
billyboy + the pro
you make me LOL
oh so it IS alan that's wanting this board out?
thought he was taking nothing to do with it?
oh well, ye learn something new everyday!
Is Alan in or is Alan out- u do the hokey-cokey an turn around thats when yous all go out.
Roll on the 5th July, Indipendance day 4 scottish snooker.
The only way is up.
This threads hilarious and MrAnon you are funny aswell. The way you act you must just be going into high school next term.
Night night, try an sleep tight.
Yes ok, i think that your first and fourth sentences above show who the immature one is here.
I must say MC, yor spelling has improved a lot, going by some of your posts on the Scottish Snooker website.
Speak soon
Your a very funny guy AC.
not long now before you and your pose are vavavooooooooooom.
The clocks tickin, tick, tock, tick, tock, it wont be long before there all in the dock.
Scottish snooker indipendance day Sunday 5th July.
a cani w8 ive got ma cola and ma box of popcorn all ready.
pose? posse?
two different words, two differnet meanings!!!
indipendance lol
hokey cokey?
cola?
sure like that word don't you!
how long to notice mine?
the only thing that u need too take notice to is the EGM is only 9 days away, then the blazers which u all so cherish will be dustsheets.
'Its the way a tell them'
Aye well Max, tell that to them then, no me! Am not one of the "Blazers" like ye think. LOL
OK Sir, a mean bud!
One thing is for sure, the above posts show the mentality of the people that are trying to take over the game in Scotland.
I don't think i would want these guys running my game.
I don't think i would want these guys running my game.
Im sure ive heard this comment b4 somewhere, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm now let me think?
Ah i remember, do u AC?
PS,theyre not trying to takeover the game in Scotland, they will take over the game in Scotland and make our nation proud to b scottish, not the asamed shambles under the current board.
Will u b at the EGM Mr Anon, i will and i will b voting against all of yous, its my democratic dutie.
Lets make our nation proud within the game, not a laughin stock as it is just now.
Firstly, in order to hold a LEGITIMATE EGM, you must ask ALL members if they want to hold an EGM, not just a selected few who hold grudges against the NGB.
(Iknow this is the case because i'm a member and to date have had no PROPER mention of an EGM).
also, there are proper procedures through Company's House that must be done in order to hold an EGM.
(Again, Company's House has had no notification of any such EGM).
So in answer to your question Mr Maximus, NO i will not be attending your little (not an EGM) get together.
lso, there are proper procedures through Company's House that must be done in order to hold an EGM.
(Again, Company's House has had no notification of any such EGM).
Mr Anon- u cant b the sharpest tool in the box, on a previous post u stated-
Aye well Max, tell that to them then, no me! Am not one of the "Blazers" like ye think. LOL
Only those on the board would be privi to information that u state about companies house.
Once again u really r funi with words like, companies house & PROCEDURES ALL IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
Go back to reading your company law and this time read it properly, dont interpret what u think what u want it 2 say.
I could answer your question about holding the EGM etc, but a cant be bovered.
A week on sunday and its ta ta!
We'll see!!
Mr Anon, i have been sitting in background reading all the posts just to see where it was all going.
With the limited information that you have posted on this forum regarding the legitamecy of an EGM let me say this.
You are very wide of the mark when it comes to the calling an EGM, you are right in saying that ALL members must be informed if you hold the relevent info.
Its a different ball game when you dont have or cant gain access/obstructed by not having this information, Companies law are very strict on this criteria.
If you would post your contact details on this forum i would be more than happy to help clarify legal issues etc to end this sorry mess.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Pro, you are wasting your breath these guys dont listen or take advice there on a ego/back slapping trip.
There on a self destruction course, if i were u i wouldnt advise them on anything they are incompetant u r just wasting your time with this lot.
They dont even take advice from lawyers- letters etc, the last AGM proved that.
i wouldnt touch them with a bargepole.
Fantastic, love it,
KEEP IT COMIN.
how many anon people do you think are posting on here billyboy?
I'm not on the board lol
Neither am i, but don't tell Mr billy buckle or Mr Maximus That!!!
Sorry i couldnt reply to your post last nite mr Anon i was out socialising with friends, what a hangover ive got!
Not long to the EGM now, 7 days and counting.
True democracy & transparency will be the winners in the end.
Hope to cu there casting your vote and voicing your opinion?
Is this really what the "power" struggle has come down to?
The only bit missing from most of the posts above is "Nah, nah nah na na Nah!
What about the future of the game folks - HELLO!
There is a game that most of us love somewhere in the middle of all this guff.
C'mon stop all the posturing and think about the game in the middle of all this dross.
Please!
Mr Anonymus i concur, by this time next week the game in scotland will be in safe hands,
Onwards & upwards.
I personally have no issues with the individuals who are part of Scotland's NGB, however here are some facts ;
- the number of players has fallen considerably, especially in last 12months. This was highlighted when the winner (not to take any shine of Mark's victory) of the Scottish National event only had to win 4 or 5 matches
- there was no prize money paid out last year despite hundreds/thousands of pounds taken in fees.
- the EUROS were held 2 years agothe funds were not there in the first place to pay for the cost of the event - this seems to have been a a poor business decision.
- the board continue to ignore their responsibilities such as issuing an up-to-date members list when requested in writing (more than once)
As one of the supporters of the Group who are attempting to restore some lost pride to the game of snooker in Scotland, the above points alone should be enough for the board to move along and admit that whilst they have tried their best, it is time for change. As a former player, I hope that this will happen after Sunday's EGM.
All the facts & figures will be revealed at the EGM, they will blow your socks off- the amount of money that has been mismanaged is staggering to say the least.
Once the new board are in place the last 6 years accounts will be audited to see the full extent of the financial shambles. It may coat a few bob to get them all audited but it must be done and will be worthwhile.
Once this current board are removed and all the audits are complete then the game in Scotland will move on to bigger and better things.
Anonymous said...
Is this really what the "power" struggle has come down to?
The only bit missing from most of the posts above is "Nah, nah nah na na Nah!
What about the future of the game folks - HELLO!
There is a game that most of us love somewhere in the middle of all this guff.
C'mon stop all the posturing and think about the game in the middle of all this dross.
Please
HOW WOULD YOU TACKLE THE PROBLEM THEN??
Quite simply by getting rid of the current board would be a tremendous start.
This would then encourage new forward thinking guys on the board, also it will encourage another 40-50 players into scottish snooker,myself being one of them.
Although hard in this current climate new sponsores will be sought and got to help develop the game in Scotland.
Its'Eazy peazy lemon squeezy'
Ive recently heard that Administration costs are still being paid out of the SSL accounts on a monthly basis- WHY?
The amount is in the region of £208X 12 MONTHS= £2496.
TheMax said...
""Ive recently heard that Administration costs are still being paid out of the SSL accounts on a monthly basis- WHY?
The amount is in the region of £208X 12 MONTHS= £2496.""
DIRECTOR REMUNERATION, SAME AS LAST YEAR??
Just a wee reminder that the egm IS THIS SUNDAY 5TH JULY CORN EXCHANGE EDINBURGH.
Excuse Me............
If I May?
I am a member of Scottish Snooker and to date have not been informed of any EGM going on within Scottish Snooker?
What is going on?
Has the Board called the EGM?
What is the Agenda for the EGM?
Who has called the EGM?
What's up for debate?
Has every member been informed? (not me yet!)
Am I the only one not to be informed?
Hello.................?
Help..............
Information os King!
Help is at hand, if you log onto the snooker forum website, premier snooker website or even post your contact details on this blog i will make sure that you receive all the relevant information regarding the EGM. i received them by email..
Ive been told that the vast majority of members have been informed but due to the board not releasing the membership list which makes there job harder to let all the members know of the EGM.
If you have any issues regarding the EGM you can call Stevie Baillie whos contact details can be found on www.scottishsnooker.co.uk
Now you know means now you can go!
cu on sunday
http://www.scottishsnooker.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1120
Above is a thread posted on the SSL site by the chairman of SSL on the 8-6-2009.And this is what he say's today.
Can you include Joanne (Baillie) and myself for Sunday.
I think most of the players attending the Home International meeting will be looking to take part also.
Might be a good turnout.
See you Sunday.
__________________
For The Good of The Game
It looks like the current board are not going to attend the EGM as they are holding a Home International Team meeting on the same day!!!!? To me and any other neutral following these events,it shouts out loud and clear that the current board are not willing to resolve the issue's within its own membership. Holding another legitimate meeting on the same day and bringing all players who are going to compete in the H.I.to it ,some who have signed the EGM request,is surely a strategy to try and deplete and undermine the EGM request. This tactic smacks of nothing but poor judgement on SSL's behalf.
To Anonymous who posted at 3.44 I believe the Board of SSL did not comply with 2 requests for the membership list if this is so you can only blame your board I think if you want information on the lack of information that you allude to you should get in touch with SSL or ask one of the signatories.
P.S. I wonder why you are asking these 8 questions on this forum instead of on the SSL WEBSITE WHERE INFORMATION IS KING!!
saw this post on the premier web re new magazine for snooker in scotland
Today, 10:12 AM
Mike Leslie
Mike Leslie Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 277
Sounds good! Will it be about open and transparent snooker things in Scotland?
haha good one, coming from ML.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit!!!
I've just come of the SSL website and every thread has the EGM notice posted on it.Betcha they are deleted tomorrow and the person who posted them banned .
I was right the posts are being deleted one by one since 12.10 a.m
Insomnia must be terrible cannot sleep with worry in case someone posts something that is truthfull
You were right Craig McGillvary has just been banned from the SSL website lol.
It must be really hard to try and sleep with 1 eye on the clock ticking away to the EGM and the other eye constantly watching the MEMBERS website.
Ive no doubt that the EGM post will continue to be posted on the SSL website prior to the EGM.
Sweet Dreams, night night dont let the members bite!
Ive just been told that the so called EGM has been called off.
You cannot trust this mob of detractors to do anything right,its time folks to move on and let the board carry on with all the good work.
No matter what type of spin you try and put on any website to cover your failings with the failed EGM (lol), democracy & transparency has won the day.
So much for doing everything right, even with the expensive lawyer at your side.
Heres to a new season without any disruptions from 3rd parties.
Ive got to admire your tenacity but hey folks everyone gets it wrong sometimes in their lifetime.
Ive got to admire your tenacity but hey folks everyone gets it wrong sometimes in their lifetime.
Just to confirm the meeting at the Corn Exchange on Sunday starts at 1.00pm sharp.
I found your comment incredible especially the one where you say 'let the board carry on with all the good work'.
If you call; record low numbers, no prize money, lack of interest in playing for your country good work then your success criteria cannot be up to much
Your good work will be highlighted by the number of players that pay their subscriptions this year because of a lack of trust in what they will get for their money.
As for 'democracy & transparency has won the day' you have got to be joking.
Good luck in continuing to drag down Scottish Snooker. I am sure it will not be long be4 the detractors (as you call them) have their day and get Scottish Snooker back on track.
After Sundays meeting the members will be more educated in where their money has all been spent and whats been going on within their own company.
Im sure after the meeting the members will spread the word of the boards misgivings to all in the snooker fraternity.
You never know the members could even possibly pass on the details to other interested third parties.
I wonder once the members here about this detail whether it will impact the number of members this year.
At the moment SSL are struggling to pull together a team to play in Home Internationals, represent Scotland abroad etc.
I remember when I used to play in the SSL events. One year I was one place outside of the Home International selection and I think I finished ninth and never got in the team because the top 8 players wanted to play for the team. These days you can finish 25th and sill get selected.
What does that tell you ?
Ive just received my membership pack from SSL this morning.
I cannot believe that over 8k outstanding was paid out for the euros.
There was no mention of any debts in the official SSL accounts that were issued at the AGM, if they were then the company would have technically been insolvent and the board would have been removed immediatley.
This is shocking that these accounts did not show the outstanding debts, mismanagement from a mismanaged shambolic board.
I wonder how companies house would react to the accounts not being accurate.
PS, and theres no chance of SSL receiving any sort of funding from Sport Scotland!
"At the moment SSL are struggling to pull together a team to play in the Home internationals, represent Scotland abroad etc"
NOT ACCORDING TO THE WEBSITE! John
i see on the premier website, past posts are being dragged up(LOL) oh and chris martin case dragged up again. if memory serves right he was allowed to finish his season with SSL, so no wrong doing done by the board ,they stuck to what was agreed!
see the posts on here must be being moderated now too eh?
he did, but with a black eye from the rat.
So how did the meeting go today?
anyone!!!
The meeting went very well, all the chalet, team manager, bus details were given to all.
I also had a wee tear in my eye when everyone gave our beloved chairman a round of applause for his unpaid efforts, it was a really emotional moment for me.
answering your own questions again?lol
can i ask a question? if all these people are always complaining about scottish snooker, why do you let your children play in the events then? am asking this because apparently one parent in particular, his own child was through in glasgow at the HI meeting, while his dad was attending another meeting to try and oust the current board of ssl.
find it strange thats all...
Just because the parents of the 'children' believe that the way that Scottish Snooker is run by our NGB is shambolic, it does not mean that they will stop them from doing what they want to do which is play snooker.
If they want their kids to improve, they have to let them play in competitions such as the Home Internationals.
If you haven't already noticed, where SSL struggle to get participation is the adults because a lot of them (like myself) know that they are not going to make it in the game. As a result, we have a choice where the decision will not impact our careers.
The NGB offer, in my opinion and many others, a pathetic product that I can choose to take or leave. I choose to leave it because I can. If the NGB was run properly and I had trust in where my money was going and trust that the board were developing the game in Scotland with my money then I would play in the events.
Simple really !! If I was a parent of a promising player I would do the same and let them play as well.
YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP!!!
heard the news!
The EGM was a failure!
I thought something big was happening on the 5th July?
Two of the NEW board for ssl didn,t even turn up to their own meeting! And the 3rd one was never interested from the start!
Aye, you couldny make it up right enough.
part of a post on SSL website tonight
"but all board members had condoned the actions and therefore are all responsible for the current situation, despite personal opinion."
are you talking about holding the Euros in Glasgow John?
If memory serves correct, were you not a member of the board that agreed to HOLD the Euros in Glasgow, when some of the current board were not even on it then, therefore did not take part in that decision?
"Anonymous said...
Just because the parents of the 'children' believe that the way that Scottish Snooker is run by our NGB is shambolic, it does not mean that they will stop them from doing what they want to do which is play snooker."
Oh right, is that what happened at last years HI's then, and the Auld Enemy Clash in Leeds? The parents that were in dispute with SSL did NOT hold their children back from playing for their country? You're having a laugh!!!
Any parent who had their own childrens playing career at heart should not stop their kids playing snooker internationally just because THEY don't like the person/people running the ngb. I can assure you that DID happen last year at the HI's and the friendly against England. That is a shame when the kids are brought into the "politics" of the game!
but he wasn't on the board when 8.5 grand went awol!
oh right, more accusations here! what are you implying?
As a parent of one of these kids that did not go to Leeds, all I can say to that is we as parents have not got access to cash like the ssl chairman has. It would be easy to send our kids all over the world if we like the ssl chairman could just put all the costs under our miscellaneous section of the books.
Anonymous said...
oh right, more accusations here! what are you implying?
11:33 AM
THE ORGANISATION WAS BUST ON THE 31ST MAY 2008 WITH £8,400 DEBTS
these debts where not invoiced until after 31 may
it matters not one jot, they were incurred before then. But at least you called them debts!
It doesnt matter a jot when the debts where invoiced,if they had no invoices the law states that any debts should be estimated and shown on the accounts.
The reaon they werent shown was twofold.
*If they were shown the members would have gave ALL THE BOARD a vote of no confidence and they would be out on there a***.
*The members would not have voted for no prizemoney to service the 8.5k debt.
The long and short of it all is that by with holding these debts from the accounts directly impacted on the way that the members voted at the AGM.
In my book and the book of law this is clearly DECEPTION.
Regardless of all this, what happened at the EGM?
Did it happen at all?
players are gonna vote with their feet!
If anyone in Scotland is in any doubt about the definition of accrued debts, just give them a bell:-
The Institute of Chartered Accountants of Scotland
0141 272 2600
I'm not allowing any more posts on this thread because it's just going round in circles and is becoming increasingly bitter
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